State workers

Brown’s pension plan calls for a fundamental restructuring of pension formulas that would require state workers to contribute more money and retire later.

Citing recent negotiations undertaken by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, in which a number of unions upped their pension contributions to 10 percent, Brown said he would negotiate similar deals with other state employees.

Brown also supports efforts to curb pension spiking and suggested an unspecified cap on large retirement payouts. He would do away with so-called pension holidays, a perk that allows workers to forgo pension payments for set periods of time, typically during times of strong investment returns.

Responding to highly publicized pension fund scandals in California and elsewhere, Brown has also called for restrictions on so-called placement agents, which act as middlemen between pension funds and institutional investors.

Philosophically, Brown’s and Whitman’s pension positions are not far apart. Brown has stopped short of calling for a complete overhaul of the system, arguing that it has worked well for decades and can be “mended.” Some have suggested that Brown’s clout with unions might make him a more successful negotiator.

Although he said they are not an ideal solution, Brown would not rule out the use of furloughs to temporarily cover gaps in state cash flow. He also spoke out against Schwarzenegger’s threats last summer to reduce state workers’ pay to minimum wage.

Key statements

Jerry Brown
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Sept. 7, 2010

On whether he’ll cut pension benefits: Well, I urge you to go to my web page and see my pension reform plan, my jobs plan, my education plan, and there will be several others between now and the election. Look, we’ve got to make tough decisions, we’ve got to live within our means, but we have to do it in a way that’s fair to everybody. Everything’s going to be on the table, but everyone will be at the table. And we’re not going to do it overnight, we’re not going to wait till September – we’re going to start in November. I’m going to call the entire legislature together, even the ones who have just gotten elected, and we’re going to work it through. So very quickly we can arrive at a consensus on a narrow band of issues that we can then work through or take to the people for their instructions.

Source: Los Angeles Times
Tags: Budget, Leadership style, State legislature, State workers, Policy or issue position, Promise
Jerry Brown
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Sept. 7, 2010

On furloughs: Well, I used them when I was mayor sometimes in Oakland, but they’re not the tool of choice. We’ve got to get our budget aligned with the revenue that’s there. It’s going to take a while – took us a long time to get into this mess – but that is definitely an urgency expedient that executives sometimes use when there’s nothing better.

Source: Los Angeles Times
Tags: Budget, State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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Sept. 3, 2010

On pension reform: "You need a two-tier. The contributions are going to have to be increased, and we have to put everything on the table. Because at the end of the day, the defined benefits only work if its actuarily sound. And that means you have to honestly look at what Wall Street is going to provide...you have to watch it very carefully. And the other two sources are the jurisdictions...and the employees. And if the employees don't contribute, then you have to either reduce salaries or lay people off to pay for it. There's three legs to the stool...Nobody who has a pension wants it to be insufficiently funded. And it only gets funded by the market, by the jurisdiction and by the employee...that's going to force (the issue)."

Source: San Francisco Chronicle
Tags: State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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Aug. 19, 2010

When asked by host Ed Baxter about furloughs, Brown responded, "No, I don't think as a general practice furloughs are not the best way to go. And secondly, because the Legislature doesn't produce a budget on time, I don't think that's grounds for holding the state workers responsible."

Source: Sacramento Bee
Tags: State legislature, State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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Aug. 12, 2010

"I don't want to rule out furloughs, because I tried them as mayor of Oakland, but at this point, this is like a bargaining move, and therefore it feels like an unfair labor practice," Brown told KCRA 3 on Thursday. "The employees didn't create the budget mess. That's up to the governor and the 120 legislators, and I believe that had they started months ago, instead of waiting until the last minute, we'd be a lot closer to a solution.

Source:
Tags: Budget, State legislature, State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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July 30, 2010

In other matters Thursday, Brown defended the current pension system for state employees, saying he thought it could be "mended.'' Whitman has called for putting most new state workers into a 401(k)-style plan.

Source: San Jose Mercury News
Tags: State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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July 23, 2010

For 70 years our public pension system worked well. Reforms are needed now to return California to a fair but affordable pension system.

Source: Jerry Brown campaign
Tags: State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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July 14, 2010

[Host: Summarize take on Schwarzenegger to lower the pay for a lot of state workers to minimum wage?] Jerry Brown: By the way, they lowered my pay 18 percent, and that's good because the people at the top should sacrifice first. I don't think that taking guys down to minimum wage when they have mortgages and families and kids in college - that doesn't seem the way to go. If you can't afford it, you've got to cut and make tough decisions, but don't bring the pay down to $7 to $8 an hour. Yeah, it's going to catch some people - they've got mortgages, how are they going to do that?

Source: PolitiCal (Los Angeles Times)
Tags: State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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July 9, 2010

Matthews: How do you deal with the tough unions out there and make them work to serve the public? Brown: Well, first of all, you treat them with respect, you lay out your agenda, and you get everybody understanding, we're Californians first. We're not Democrat or Republican or member of this group or that group. And don't just say unions are a powerful force. You know Wall Street destroyed $11 trillion worth of wealth. That's pretty powerful. No union could ever do that. Then there's the tea-baggers, there's the Chamber of Commerce. There's all manner of interests. And the key to democracy is leadership that can forge the common purpose, and that's what I feel my entire life has prepared me now, to take what I've learned, work with these diversion-conflicting factions, and get this common pathway to the future. Seizing the assets of California, which after all is still the eighth wealthiest political entity in the world.

Source: MSNBC
Tags: Leadership style, Public works, State workers, Policy or issue position
Jerry Brown
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May 18, 2010

They always want a scapegoat. What's our problem, they say? Well, it's the public employees. It's the teacher, the police, the firefighters. No, it isn't. It's the Wall Street people who destroyed $11 trillion of our wealth. And I don't know we should have the same people who profited from that then take the reigns of power and now have the money and the political power at the same time. I think we ought to keep them separate. The best way to keep them separate, is to separate the two Republicans from any chance of getting to be governor of California, that's what I ask you to do.

Source: UCSB Daily Nexus
Tags: Business, Campaigns and politics, State workers, Candidate attack

One of Whitman’s most highly publicized and controversial policy proposals has been her suggestion to slash 40,000 workers from the state payroll – an idea she has expressed with differing levels of zeal throughout the campaign.

More often than not, she has talked about reducing the workforce through attrition. However, last year, she told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer that she would advocate laying off 30,000 to 40,000 state workers.

“Well, I know, from my experience, that almost any organization, you can lay off 10 percent of the bureaucracy, and actually -- maybe it's easier, actually, with fewer people, and it will not be a hardship on the state. And, so, that would say that you want to lay off between 30,000 and 40,000 people.”

When asked by Los Angeles radio hosts John Kobylt and Ken Chiampou whether she was “still going to lay off 40,000 state workers,” Whitman responded “Yes.”

In an interview with KNBC in Los Angeles in April, she said she would not consider rolling back collective bargaining rights for state workers. But she seemed more likely to consider the idea in a September interview with the Sacramento Bee editorial board, saying she would not take the option off the table.

Like Brown, she supports negotiating increased pension contributions from state workers and has suggested increasing the retirement age to 65. If negotiations with unions fail, she has proposed forcing pension reforms through a ballot measure.

Whitman has also proposed phasing out the current pension system for new state workers and replacing it with a defined contribution plan such as a 401(k). She has said public safety agencies would be exempted from many of her suggested reforms.

Among her more novel proposals, Whitman has said she would mandate that all state constitutional officers fly commercial, rather than taking private planes.

Key statements

Meg Whitman
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Sept. 26, 2010

Like the CEO she was, Whitman offered a stark analysis when she explained again her goal of cutting California's state work force by 40,000, using "attrition as well as some selected layoffs" over perhaps three years. ... "Having been in business for 30 years, it is amazing to me that there has been that much push-back against getting to a work force the size of where we were five years ago," Whitman said.

Source: Sacramento Bee
Tags: Jobs, Spending, State workers, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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Sept. 21, 2010

Republican gubernatorial nominee Meg Whitman said Monday that she would place pension cutbacks on the ballot if negotiations with state workers fail and would consider using her personal fortune not only to win office but to advance her agenda if elected. Taking the issue to voters is "not my first choice," she told The Bee's editorial board. "But if we have to … this is an issue we have got to take up." The former eBay CEO and billionaire said she "possibly" would put her own money behind a ballot measure campaign. "My preference would be to raise the money, would be to, you know, make sure that we had a broad constituency," she said.

Source: Sacramento Bee
Tags: Spending, State workers, Policy or issue position
Meg Whitman
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Aug. 19, 2010

If elected, Whitman said she would mandate that constitutional officers and department heads fly commercial. “We should all be flying commercial,” she said. “And I would absolutely do that.”

Source: Los Angeles Times
Tags: State workers, Promise, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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Aug. 11, 2010

Right, well what you have highlighted every day on this show about Bell is the perfect example of what is wrong with government in California and why Sacramento is also very broken because the state workers have very generous pension benefits. Maybe not quite as generous as Bell, but very generous pension benefits. This will cause California to run out of money, and we have to reset these pension benefits, so I want to renegotiate with the very powerful unions. We have to raise retirement ages. We have to extend vesting periods, meaning the amount of time that you have to work before you get those benefits. The employees will need to contribute more to their pension program, and for new rank-and-file public servants, they are going to have to come in under a different deal probably like what you get here at the station, a 401(k) program, not a guaranteed payout.

Source: KTLA
Tags: Budget, Spending, State workers, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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July 22, 2010

Hogue: Do you have an opinion on a budget situation that has government workers possibly making minimum wage? Meg Whitman: So, my point of view on this is, I am a supporter of right-sizing the government as opposed to doing something like putting government workers on minimum wage. I can understand why the governor wanted to do that, but the first thing we've got to do is, we've got to right-size the government. The truth is we have 40,000 more people working for the state today than we did just five years ago. We've got to use technology to do more with less. So, before we went to a minimum wage, I would like to say, can't we use technology, can't we reorganize the government smartly and effectively, so we spend taxpayer money efficiently. And we have not done that. And so, what I want to do as governor, is I want to right-size the government. I want to do things more efficiently and effectively. I want to reduce fraud. You know, estimates of fraud there's $8 billion to $10 billion of fraud in Medicare, Medi-Cal, workmen's compensation, unemployment benefits, you name it. And the reason we can't find it - we don't have the technology in place. And we have got to take - the most innovative state in the country, with the heart of Silicon Valley leading the way - we've got to bring that expertise to Sacramento. So, that's the approach I'd take as opposed to putting workers on minimum wage.

Source: Hogue in the Morning (KTKZ)
Tags: Budget, State workers, Telecommunications, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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July 16, 2010

Reporter: What about the dispute over paying state employees minimum wage until the budget is passed? That's the governor's stance. Whitman: Well, I am not in support of the furloughs. I am not in support of paying government workers minimum wage. What we need to do is right size the state of California. We have to have the right number of workers and frankly, we are overstaffed.

Source: KGET-17 (Bakersfield NBC)
Tags: State workers, Policy or issue position
Meg Whitman
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July 13, 2010

I favor reforms that will match up the pension benefits government workers receive to those of private-sector workers. Specifically, I think we need to raise the retirement age for most government workers from 55 to 65. We need to ask government workers to contribute a little more to their own retirement savings and bring new government workers in under a different deal with a 401(k) style plan.

Source: Meg Whitman campaign
Tags: State workers, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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June 4, 2010

I am not a supporter of furloughs. I think you are better off, right-sizing the size of government. Getting the size of a workforce that we can afford, as opposed to penalize everyone with a certain amount of hours per week. The problem with furloughs is everyone gets hurt. We don't really right-size the government. I would be in favor of attrition. Obviously, 10-to-12,000 people separate from the state every year. If we had a hiring freeze we would be down 36,000 workers over three years. And then, selective reduction. The truth is, we have a government that we cannot afford and we are going to have to right-size it.

Source: Hogue in the Morning (KTKZ)
Tags: Budget, State workers, Assertion of fact, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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May 25, 2010

Kudlow: It is said there is a $100 billion shortfall in the Cal pension system for government workers. Can you take that down? Whitman: We can. You're right, it's a $100 billion unfunded liability between pension and health care. And what happened, of course, when Jerry Brown was governor he gave away the right to collective bargain to public service employee unions and his chief of staff, Gray Davis, gave away the store. We have an inability to pay $100 billion of unfunded liability. Here's what we have to do. We have to increase retirement ages from 50 to 55 for public safety workers and from 55 to 65 for rank and file civil servants. We have to extend vesting periods, increase the contribution that employees make to their retirement and for the rank and file civil service we need new people to come in under a different plan, a 401(k) style plan the private sector has used for many years. But the truth is we've got to get our arms around this. 15 other states, Californians haven't stepped up to the plate. As governor I will, because this will cause California to run out of money.

Source: The Kudlow Report (CNBC)
Tags: Budget, State workers, Candidate attack, Specific policy point or details
Meg Whitman
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April 23, 2010

I wouldn't roll back collective bargaining. We have to renegotiate and bring in new employees to the civil service under a different deal because it's simply not affordable.

Source: KNBC (Los Angeles)
Tags: State workers, Policy or issue position
Meg Whitman
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April 23, 2010

Reporter: You've talked about public safety being exempt from reforms. Explain why firefighters and police should be exempt. Meg Whitman: Well I've only exempted them from one reform and that is moving from the defined benefit to the defined contribution. So, what I've said is that public safety employees need to stay on a defined benefit program because that is such an important part of their ability to recruit great people to Calfire to the CHP, to the local police forces. But public safety, we're going to have to negotiate increasing the retirement age from 50 to 55. We're going to have to extend the vesting periods. Public safety employees are going to have to contribute more to their pensions. So the only exemption is that defined benefit program, not the other things that we are going to have to negotiate if we are going to get this down to a cost that the state can afford.

Source: KNBC (Los Angeles)
Tags: State workers, Specific policy point or details

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